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common problems?

great stuff in this presentation from the national 'Making Local Food Work' programme on common problems in social…Continue

Started Jun 6, 2011

what would our 'secret truths' about CICs be?
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came across this great list of 100 truths about social enterprise that most advisors won't tell you about, but which could save your sanity... …Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by John Mulkerrin May 26, 2011.

how CICs are changing company law around the world...
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there's an interesting paper been recently published (well, interesting for governance 'geeks' like me...) that looks at how social entrepreneruship and social enterprise have changed company law on…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Jeff Mowatt Apr 20, 2011.

has the CIC model failed?
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rather startling story in the media recently concerning one of the originators of the CIC model who suggesting that another new social enterprise legal form is required that allows a company to…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by John Mulkerrin Mar 23, 2011.

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Adrian Ashton commented on Malcolm Smith's blog post Dormant CIC Accounts for Companies Hose
"hi Malcolm, you're right - CICs are the only legal form that cannot do webfiling, but you can find all the relevant forms and templates in pdf format to download and via companies house…"
Apr 18
Adrian Ashton replied to Elizabeth McClelland's discussion How to close down a CIC? in the group Accounts Group
"I'd echo Heidi's suggested approach (having used this in the past myself); however, as John has flagged up, it's important that there be some documented paper trail between the CIC and yourself that shows it's debt to you for the…"
Oct 10, 2016
Adrian Ashton replied to John Mulkerrin's discussion CIC 10 year survey
"thanks for your work in collating all this data John (and others!); geek-inclined as I am, I just read through it and compared to profiles in the the wider social enterprise sector and few initial 'headlines' that seem to be evident are: -…"
Jun 16, 2016
Adrian Ashton replied to Adrian Ashton's discussion converting from CIC to charity
"Hi Sharon - if you scroll down a little further in this discussion thread you'll see a post from the CIC regulator which should hopefully help answer your questions here"
Jun 16, 2016
sharon Needham replied to Adrian Ashton's discussion converting from CIC to charity
"Just read all this which is very interesting.  Does anyone have any info on this:  We have been CIC for 2 years with 3 elements to our business.  We want to change one of these to charity.  How can we do this?  also there is…"
Jun 16, 2016
Kellieanne McMillan replied to Adrian Ashton's discussion converting from CIC to charity
"Thanks - this is really helpful...K"
Feb 27, 2016
Adrian Ashton replied to Adrian Ashton's discussion converting from CIC to charity
"thanks for adding all this detail and clarification Philip - great to get such depth of detail and insight from 'the horses' mouth' (rather than other routes of speculation and whispers ;-)"
Feb 26, 2016
Phillip Horrell replied to Adrian Ashton's discussion converting from CIC to charity
"Hi Adrian.  61 CICs that have chosen to convert to a charity since  the CIC Office opened in 2005.  Reasons vary but most felt that they should have been a charity at the outset and had been wrongly advised, not by our…"
Feb 26, 2016
Adrian Ashton replied to Adrian Ashton's discussion converting from CIC to charity
"charity law isn't able to be able to recognise/accept any incorporated body that has share capital Kellieanne, so you'd have to follow Alastair's suggest route above - the only except to this that I know of is Hastings Pier who are a…"
Feb 26, 2016
Kellieanne McMillan replied to Adrian Ashton's discussion converting from CIC to charity
"Hi Adrian, Thanks for the information you've provided on the conversion of a CIC to a charity. I wonder if your statement about the process being relatively straightforward applies to both CIC's limited by guarantee and those limited by…"
Feb 26, 2016
Adrian Ashton commented on Heidi Fisher's group Accounts Group
"corporation tax applies to all declared profits - however, if you're planning on using surpluses to reinvest against costs that you know will be being incurred in the coming financial year, then your accountant should be able to help you…"
Nov 24, 2015
Adrian Ashton replied to Mary Burrows's discussion New CIC looking for advice or guidance on applying for grant funding in the group North West
"hi Mary - a good starting point would likely be FundingCentral ( as well as a serachable directory of grant making trusts and programmes, there are also various guides under the 'support and…"
Nov 9, 2015
Adrian Ashton posted a status
"welcome to Ceri Witchard - the new CIC regulator (see for full announcement)"
Sep 9, 2015
Adrian Ashton replied to Bret Warshawsky's discussion What does this mean in Layman's terms? A guarantee company can borrow money and may issue debentures or debenture (loan) stock? in the group CICs seeking investment
"there's a good plain-english guide to the different types of financial investment options in the free pdf document 'simply finance' produced by co-opsUK and others: ;"
Apr 1, 2015
Adrian Ashton posted a status
"did anyone else spot that government is paying CICs over £10 per month (!)"
Feb 24, 2015
John Mulkerrin commented on Adrian Ashton's status
"Hi Adrian I agree we need to make sure the best decisions are being made,  having helped hundreds get started I totally agree levels of understanding are low in many cases...but I thought your article title was a little unfair on the wider CIC…"
Dec 3, 2014

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Adrian Ashton's Blog

social enterprises coming out of the public sector...

provocative research finds that public sector workers setting up social enterprises to externalise services face more signficant problems than anticipated

Posted on February 16, 2011 at 18:07

Half of social enterprises will be lost in the next 5 years – and it’s our fault!

About a year ago, I argued the pressing and urgent need for social enterprises to value their people more or risk losing them.

Sadly the latest national salary and careers survey seems to suggest that these warnings have fallen on deaf…


Posted on November 24, 2010 at 12:40

greatest challenge facing social enterprise

provoking paper suggesting that all social enterprises share the same 'greatest challenge' - (opens as pdf doc)

Posted on September 17, 2010 at 15:05 — 1 Comment

the evolution of social enterprise

great pdf: 'the evolution of social enterprise' as viewed as a historical timeline (monastries to today)

some people have found it doesn't give enough detail to the european dimension, but the authors are happy to receive contributions for future updates (details in the document)

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 9:49

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At 18:55 on April 15, 2011, Julie Crowley said…

Hi Adrian

Thanks for your response, and yes, it is interesting.   Would be interested to know more - was this independant/private work or wider community focus for example?

Will keep an eye on your page too, with your comments and views and try to follow all the information!

At 17:03 on January 22, 2011, John Mulkerrin said…

Hi Adrian

Thanks, hadnt read that one to be honest. But yes, good article, very good actually.......found myself agreeing with all of it. I could really get into a debate on this one, but as an example.......a key social finance group, met the fund manager of a key fund there, i spouted off a few things that were going on regionally as examples of things that we could build standardised funding streams for , sector specific, goegraphic, and structural (both cic and co-op models before you start!) such as certain regeneration and social building programs...complete blank face! we're disconnected in a world of connections! seperated by systems that complicate not liberate! the gap is definitely in those connections (again for another conversation) but part of making that easier is building that body of evidence. Some amazing stuff going on out there 



At 16:48 on November 2, 2009, John Mulkerrin said…
Hi Adrian,
Welcome to the site and thanks for joining! We hope to develop into a practical resource for all CICs and CIC Partners.

We’ll be sending out an update on our plans shortly and look forward to your input.

Best regards

John Mulkerrin
ps challenge is vital if we're to take the debate forward, there still arent many who have a good grasp of the issue and debating is a great way of improving everyones understanding of what CIC is all about. I look forward to your involvement, feel free to get a debate going in the forums, what's the general awareness of, and opinion of the CIC legislation over there in sunny Ireland?


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