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Hi I just wondered if anyone knew what happened to registered trademarks created under a CIC if the CIC closes? ThanksFayeContinue

Started by Faye Bentley. Last reply by Faye Bentley Jan 19.

Companies House online returns filing service for CICs. 1 Reply

Hi all, I'm sure this will be of interest to everyone.Companies House are trialing a new service whereby CICs can file their accounts online. This will save accountants fees and hopefully the final…Continue

Started by Adam freeman. Last reply by Alam Ahmed Jan 9.

Companies House online returns filing service for CICs. 1 Reply

Hi all, I'm sure this will be of interest to everyone.Companies House are trialing a new service whereby CICs can file their accounts online. This will save accountants fees and hopefully the final…Continue

Started by Adam freeman. Last reply by Alam Ahmed Jan 9.

Annual account 1 Reply

Hi all, I'm new to this forum and hope you can help.I need to prepare some end of year accounts so that I can apply for some funding before the accountant does the full end of year thing in…Continue

Started by Annette Eatock. Last reply by Alam Ahmed Jan 9.

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Comment by Annette Rhodes on February 8, 2019 at 0:19

Hello everyone.

I am beyond angry and need to rant.

I spent hours - you all know how many - compiling the annual report, CIC34 and accounts.   Our accountant checked everything over before it was sent.
On the end of the Directors' report I typed "report compiled by", printed my name, and signed and dated it.  My name is also cited as the founding director on the headed paper on which we printed the annual directors' report.
I filed in plenty of time.  Now, with only 5 days to go before deadline, I have received all the documentation back again, with the one line explanation ""The name of the signatory is not present on the Directors' Report".
It is debatable whether or not this is actually true, (see above).  However, even if one accepts that I am stupid and have neglected to understand the exact precise wording which is acceptable to Companies House in this matter, haven't these people got better things to do than enforce the tiniest letter of their law on people who, after all, are spending hundreds of hours per year, for free, trying to make life better for their community?

What magic formulation of words should I use?  "Signed by"?  "Print name"?  At this point, I'm open to anyone's guesses!

Comment by Karen Haworth on July 2, 2018 at 17:51

Looking for accountants in the North West. Knowledge of CIC and trading internationally.

Comment by Patricia on April 16, 2018 at 11:46

Hello - we are a trading CIC and all surplus profits will be gift aided to our CIO at year end. I understand we have nine months to complete this transfer and just wondered how it should be shown in the accounts ie should we show a nil balance or can we carry forward any accruals?

Comment by Rachel Gardiner-Hill on February 20, 2018 at 17:17


Can anyone share their experience of managing reaching the trigger point for VAT registration as a CIC, we hadn't thought we would get to ti this financial year but it's approaching at the speed of an express train and we will have to do it soon.  This is problematic for us as a counselling CIC as it runs counter to our social mission of providing affordable counselling as it will involve a further fees hike increase on the back of one we have just done annually.  We recognise we don't qualify under healthcare professional exemptions but wonder how others have met this challenge.

Comment by Naresh Rao on January 13, 2018 at 17:11


I specialise in CICs so why don't you ring me to discuss your situation.

If you have very few transactions  the accounts should be relatively simple. Not sure why you accountants are being so slow.


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Comment by Simon Odell on January 13, 2018 at 15:42

Hi My CIC has been going a few years and I have had an accountant who was reasonable in dealing with everything. This year they have been rather slow and a bit tetchy when I have asked about progress quoting new complexities - but my CIC probably has only about a dozen in/out transactons!. I am now rather anxious about contacting again but I have for a few weeks now been worried that they are not going to complete the submission nor let me know in time to find someone else. Submission is due by April. How  long should I leave them to complete before finding someone else? And is there a thread on this group which talks about recommended accountants? (I can't see a search button)

Comment by Naresh Rao on November 29, 2017 at 18:13

Hi Jenny

I suggest you ring me on the number I previously provided and I will talk you through this


Comment by Jenny Tompsett on November 29, 2017 at 16:46

Thanks Margaret. Yes, we carry forward grant income that spans a financial year as Deferred Income on our balance sheet so OK there. Thanks again

Comment by Margaret Manuell on November 29, 2017 at 16:37

I just want to point out that if you are still holding grant money for a project which spans your financial year, then that is not profit, but moneys or work owing. My suggestion is that Jenny should now go to  the online HMRC free helpline for clarification. 

Comment by Jenny Tompsett on November 29, 2017 at 16:20

Hi Naresh. Thank you for your advice. There does seem to be conflicting treatment out there. In the past, I've  had 2 established firms of accountants tell me that "because the company is Limited by Guarantee we don't have to pay CT except on interest". Also, although it seems to have got lost from this thread, I had another reply just before yours from Margaret whose experience with HMRC was more favourable.  I've copied what she said below. Can you by any chance direct to me to the legislation/HMRC regulations so I can see it in black and white before I open up this can of worms for my organisation ? Many thanks again.

At 20:25 on November 27, 2017, Margaret Manuell said… Hi Jenny, we are a small cic in a similar position. We are not-for-profit, ploughing all surplus back into the company and existing on a mixture of funding, community donations and small sales of craft goods made and donated by volunteers. We asked a company of accountants for help, and they offered to make a submission to HMRC pro bono. The Tax Inspector agreed that the company does not trade in the accepted sense and that we do not have to make returns unless our circumstances change, or if we earn interest on any cash reserves. We were repaid taxes we had paid for the three years previously, before making returns got difficult with online submissions that didn't match what we do. I advise you to approach your local third sector support organisation - they used to be called CVS, but some have set up under different names. They would be able to suggest a local tax accountant who might help you pro bono. Hope this helps. If you want to compare yourself with us, to see how you match, we are at Good luck.


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