"Hi John - I know but it appears from discussing with them how they were set up in the first place the original directors were split on the best structure. The two that wanted the CIC structure became annoyed with how things were run and resigned. So…"

"Indeed, I think a detailed letter from them into the CIC Regulator would be best. Cant see how they would be advised that was an appropriate route, its very clear in technical guidance about the asset lock. However, being a CIC and not a LTD is…"

"Amen. UK outsourcing is begging for social solutions but the VCSE is too timid and makes the assumption that they can't win. They can. AND, commissioners want to buy from CICs. The only issue is confidence and perhaps audacity. "

"Hi John - a great step forward in many ways demonstrating that the statutory disembalance of public services naturally migrates to the CIC model.  In real budget terms it is a small contract over the 7 years but it is an indicator for any CIC…"

"Hi John - it appears that the advise was given at the start of the CIC and that this would be an approved route for development. Did your examples come from the same region of the country? Or is this just consultants not knowing what they are…"

"I know but they have been advised that this is the way forward for them.  Also the point about the value of the contracts is lost on them, as the contract can't novate either I think that it is just a matter of repeating the points and…"